Ventura to announce tonight for MN Senate race?

Dean Barkley was briefly my Senator after Paul Wellstone died tragically in a plane crash in 2002.  Then-Governor Ventura installed him to finish Wellstone's term as the national nightmare that was the 2002 elections were played to their tragic conclusion.

Barkley has been urging Ventura to run for his old job, most famously a bet on a golf game that Ventura lost.  Now Barkley has given an interview for MinnPost where he admits to suggesting that being a Senator is "not as tough as being governor."

Ventura is going to be on Larry King tonight to perhaps announce his candidacy.  In preparation, let's look at Barkley's comments and determine their impact on the existing Coleman vs. Franken race.

For those of us who remember, Ventura ran an amazing race in 1998 for the governorship of Minnesota.  He waited until practically the last minute and spent only about a million dollars on his advertising campaign, running with fantastic ads including Jesse as an action figure fighting corrupt politicians.

Barkley addresses the issue of financing; given that both Coleman and Franken are breaking records with fundraising and spending:

MP: But this race may become the most expensive Senate race ever run with Franken and Coleman each spending $16 million. Can Ventura find that sort of money?

DB:  He doesn't need to. He'll get so much free press that they could each spend $60 million and it wouldn't matter. I think one of the hardest things we'd have to do is find enough time to handle all the requests for interviews he'd have.

MP: So how much would Ventura need to raise?

DB: I'd say $1 million to $1.5 million. If we could give [Bill] Hillsman [who handled Ventura's advertising campaign in 1998] a million bucks for the media campaign, that would do it.

Quite honestly?  After what happened in 1998, I believe him.  It was enough to get me to vote Independant that year (caveat: I'm voting Franken this year unless October comes around and Franken has no chance of making up the gap and Ventura does, on the theory that Not Coleman is better than Coleman), though the fact that the Democrat on the ticket was Hubert "Skip" Humphrey III, tweaking my dislike for legacy candidates, didn't help.

The last poll I saw had Franken down by 12.  With Ventura in the race, he's only down by 10.  This leads me to believe that, within the margin of error, Ventura takes away pretty much equally from both sides of the issue, but, as I've mentioned before, there's one target whose votes Ventura is going to particularly pursue:

MP: Ventura seems to have a special dislike of Coleman. What's that about?

DB: It goes back to the State Fair [of 1998].  Coleman was condescending to him. They were at the fair and Coleman came up to him and said, 'Oh Jesse, oh Jesse, you're getting the big crowds here but you can't win.' Totally condescending.

I get a chuckle knowing that Ventura made Coleman eat crow that year with his startling win.  Ventura will hit Coleman morning, noon, and night in TV interviews and in his sparing, but incisive advertising.  I'm not saying that he'll leave Franken alone, but I'm certain that he won't attack Franken on the point he's been weakest, his comedic past, because, given Ventura's own entertainment past, would seem hypocritical.  Barkley is certain that the major parties won't be able to keep Ventura out of debates: How do you prevent the ex-governor who is polling at 20%-25% from saying his peace?

Things weren't bad under Ventura, quite honestly.  Some will talk about how ashamed they were that their governor was sportcasting for the XFL in his spare time, but really that's gotta be small potatoes nowendays, with all the real abuses that government has heaped upon us.  Barkley suggests that Ventura's time as governor will help him:

All he has to do is say, 'Remember those Jesse checks?' Remember how we lowered the cost of license?  Do you like the light rail line? [Ventura pushed hard for it.] He even tried to change the way we fund road and bridge construction. Had we done what he wanted, there would have been more money and, who knows, maybe the bridge wouldn't have fallen down. But the Legislature voted down his plan.

The portion I bolded will play big here if Ventura pursues it.  Minnesotans are tired of politics as usual, because the fights between Governor Pawlenty and the legislature have gotten precious little done until the last year or so; the bridge dropping has prompted a spirit of bipartisanship and a willingness to break ranks at all levels, some out of true ethics, like the Veto Override Six, and others, like Coleman and Pawlenty, out of fear for their jobs.

Check out Larry King Live tonight (MN Post says 8 PM, that might be Central Time) to hear what Ventura has to say: the race could be a whole lot more interesting very soon.



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Re: Ventura to announce tonight for MN Senate race (none / 0)

This sucks.

This means we might have to put up with him talking on TV again.

The MSM was already annoying enough.

Put aside his weak grasp of politics and policy, I cannot stand people like him.
He just has a book to sell.

Minnesotans should be insulted.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:01:20 PM EST

You're the one doing the insulting here. (2.00 / 1)

Ventura's got a pretty strong grasp of policy if he's got a chance to read up.  I don't always agree with him, and he doesn't always do his homework before needing to (and thus gets caught offguard on pundit shows), but if he's got to vote on something, he'll be fully and completely informed on it by the time he says "yea" or "nea."

I'd appreciate being a bit more generous to those in my state that voted for this man for Governor in 1998 and are reasonably pleased with the results compared to our current Republican leadership.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

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by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:08:23 PM EST
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Anti Coleman vote (none / 0)

I'm worried about spliting the anti Coleman vote.


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by pollbuster on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:10:51 PM EST

I'm not so worried about that (2.00 / 1)

Coleman has a high enough lead so that increasing the anti-Coleman vote is the most important thing to do.  If Franken and Ventura can gang up on him, Coleman might even come in third.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

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by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:15:06 PM EST
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Re: I'm not so worried about that (none / 0)

impossible.

lets be generous and say minnesota is only 45% GOP. (about where Pawlenty's votes come in)

there is no way Fraken or Ventura are taking GOP votes, Coleman will still get about 40-45% of the vote, while now Fraken and Ventura will split the other 55%

if 1 of them gets only 15% of the vote, the other can't win.

no such thing as coleman coming in 3rd, and I highly doubt we can beat him if its a 3 party race.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:17:36 PM EST
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Re: I'm not so worried about that (none / 0)

I tend to agree, but I wouldn't say that beating him is impossible. It's just going to make the task a lot more difficult.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:20:18 PM EST
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No way? (2.00 / 1)

I must respectfully disagree; the Republican brand is in the sub-basement, chained to the ceiling wearing a gimp suit.  There's no set of voters in Minnesota that's more swing right now than Republicans.  There's a reason Obama is so far ahead in Minnesota (consistantly about 52% Obama, 39% McCain).

Minnesota conservatives are largely economic conservatives, and Ventura appeals to that... remember, when we were running a surplus, he sent checks out to all taxpaying citizens to get rid of it (I personally disagreed with the policy, but many fiscal conservatives appreciated it).  Coleman's support of the Bush administration's out-of-control gorging on taxpayer money will come back to haunt him, I guarantee you.

The only Democratic group that Ventura really appeals to is the youth vote.  That could be a problem, but in all the other categories, Franken is far closer to Wellstone and will keep Democratic votes.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:30:22 PM EST
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Re: No way? (none / 0)

well we shall see, indeed Obama does poll well, but that has never really translated to Franken ever in the polls,

Obama can be up 13 points in the poll but Franken would still be trailing Coleman by 2-3, so obviously people are polling GOP in the senate and must be polling Dem. in the presidential race.

and the 1 poll so far that factored Ventura in, had V at about 20% franken in the 30s and coleman in the 40s, now that was 1 poll but this is exactly what I am afraid will happen.

but still how Minnesota Polls for a presidential election is obviously not translating to our senate which once again is because we do have some problems with Franken and I still think having V in it will cause more problems then help.


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by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:36:11 PM EST
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Simple solution (none / 0)

Obama and Franken need to campaign together.

Tie their fates, and things should get better.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:38:12 PM EST
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Re: Simple solution (none / 0)

hopefully that will work, but I like to think Minnesotans have a leg up on the rest of the country,

we arent so attached to party ID, thats why in 98 we can elect a 3rd party governor, in 2002 in 2002 a Republican Governor and Senator, but in 2006 a Democratic Senator

so I dont know how much Obama will move Frankens numbers, or if we will really see Obama in MN, if he continues to just crush McCain in the polls.

I'd still rather Ventura not run, I sooooo just want Coleman gone, but if he does I will still volunteer and donate to Franken this fall and do my part to help get rid of Coleman


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by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:43:08 PM EST
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Yeah (none / 0)

I rode by the Franken for Senate office over the weekend; I'm considering heading over there one of these days to see what I can do.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Yeah (none / 0)

I am doing an externship right now in Buffalo, and as I live in Minneapolis thats already a drive, but once this is over, I should be able to find time to help out.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:02:25 PM EST
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Re: Simple solution (none / 0)

i fear that if Obama campaigns with Franken it will help franken and hurt obama.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:08:33 PM EST
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Doubt it. (none / 0)

I don't think Obama can lose Minnesota at this point.  It's at least highly unlikely.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:16:10 PM EST
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Re: I'm not so worried about that (none / 0)

Coleman has had a lead, but it isn't that large. For the most part it has fluctuated approximately between 4 to 8 points.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:22:19 PM EST
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Re: I'm not so worried about that (none / 0)

but it increases when about every point Ventura has, is a point he is taking from Franken.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:25:47 PM EST
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Last week during an NPR interview (none / 0)

Ventura said he'd announce "next week on Tuesday".

Perhaps he's changed his mind, but I'd expect him to use the Larry King appearance to gin up interest, and then to announce when he's back on his "home turf", where the local media will have access.


by aggieric on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:11:15 PM EST

Quite possibly (none / 0)

You never know with Jesse.  He likes to keep us on our toes.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:13:53 PM EST
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Ventura to announce tonight Senate race? (none / 0)

I think Ventura pissed off to many people after his time as governor that he wont win,

the best he can hope to do is split the Democrat/Indie vote between himself and Franken,

if he enters, I believe Coleman will win, This is how Pawlenty keeps winning damnit! 3rd parties end up spliting the votes the Democrat would always take.

so I am none to happy about him possibly entering.

sigh.....


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:13:34 PM EST

We'll see (none / 0)

Ventura pissed off too many politicians while he was in power... I don't think the public cared that much, outside of the few prudes that got up in arms about the XFL gig.

The last poll had Ventura drawing almost equally from both Franken and Coleman, maybe a little more from Coleman.  If Ventura can sell his libertarian side, he might become more Bob Barr than Ralph Nader.

As far as Pawlenty goes, remember that Hatch ran an unappealing and errored campaign and even then only lost by 1%.  If we'd run someone as credible as, say, Klobuchar, I think we could've won despite 3rd party interference.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:19:31 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

the problem is Fraken is far from perfect in MN, and we were ALREADY having problems with him, lets just be nice and say Ventura only takes 5% from Fraken?

well we were at beset 2-3 points behind and now we are losing hopefully only 3-5 points to Ventura, thats alot to make up.

I was already worried about Fraken, I was hoping this landlord thing would knock coleman down a step or two, but I honestly don't like Frankens chances if Ventura is in the race

ESPECIALLY if he brings up that he was the one who fought for the light rail or more money in transportation, because those are franken voters he will peel away, not Coleman


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:24:53 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

Ah, I hadn't seen the Rasmussen poll with Franken only 3% behind in a 2-way race, but I still think that it's too early to predict doom and gloom.

I think Republicans are a swing vote in a 3-way race, while Democrats will come back to Franken if he makes his case as running as a Wellstone surrogate.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:36:51 PM EST
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Re: Ventura to announce tonight Senate race? (none / 0)

The only thing I ask of the "Third Parties" out there is please, for the love of God run a serious candidate for once.

Please, because at this point I am waving my American flag at the beauty of the 2 party system.

Ralph Nader

Cynthia McKinney

Jesse Ventura

Ron Paul (too much of a coward to drop the magic 'R')

The problem with these folks is they could care less about the American people and moving them foward.
Ask any of those 'candidates' what there plans would have been to instill their agendas.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:20:13 PM EST
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Uh... (none / 0)

Ventura IS a serious candidate.  He was my governor for four years.  

Don't put him in that list just because he used to be a professional wrestler.

I suppose you're going to discount Schwartzenegger, too?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:32:37 PM EST
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In the Gubernatorial (sp?) race, (none / 0)

Ventura made Humphrey skew extraordinarily old.  I fear that Franken will only appeal to the 45+ crowd (Humphrey only appealed to the 60+ crowd).  That's no way to win a race.  

All Ventura has to do is play the "pox on both their houses", maybe run against Obama and clean up.

It is also funny to see Ventura pwn Coleman.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 02:57:13 PM EST

Run against Obama? (none / 0)

That doesn't seem like a good strategy in Minnesota.  We like Obama.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 03:03:40 PM EST
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Re: Run against Obama? (none / 0)

No I was saying that was what would happen in a Ventura race not what should happen.  I apologize for the confusion.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:59:41 PM EST
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Re: Ventura to announce tonight for Senate race ? (none / 0)

I don't know from Minnesota politics, but I have one question--what would Ventura do if he won? Being Senator is nothing like being governor...there is nothing anyone can do as an individual there, it is the clubbiest club in the world...Jesse can be as big and tough as anything, it will get him nowhere fast in the Senate. It's hard to credit the idea that he's serious about winning the seat...he's going to look like an idiot if all he accomplishes is helping Coleman.


by Alice in Florida on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 03:21:55 PM EST

He'll probably caucus with the Democrats (none / 0)

He'll be like a more fun version of Lieberman, insofar as he'll caucus with the Democrats on social issues and break on economic issues.  He'll also learn the ins and outs of the Senate procedures and do as much as he can to make people opposing him look like an idiot.  If one guy can block closing the Enron Loophole by himself, then surely a clever-but-obnoxious independant can figure out things to do to shake the system up.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 03:44:31 PM EST
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